Saturday, December 22, 2007

Romney Doesn't Believe First Vision, Bible, Book of Mormon

From an interview Flip Romney did recently with a Boston TV station, as reported by KTVX Channel 4 in Salt Lake City:

"Should God speak to you and ask you to do something that might be in conflict with your duties as president or should he speak to your Prophet who would speak to you - how would you make that decision, how would you handle that?”

To which Romney responded: “I don't recall God speaking to me. I don't know that he has spoken to anyone since Moses and the bush or perhaps some others."

Anyone since Moses?

Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 3:

13 ¶ Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.
14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.
16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Third Nephi, Chapter 11:

1 And now it came to pass that there were a great multitude gathered together, of the people of Nephi, round about the temple which was in the land Bountiful; and they were marveling and wondering one with another, and were showing one to another the great and marvelous change which had taken place.
2 And they were also conversing about this Jesus Christ, of whom the sign had been given concerning his death.
3 And it came to pass that while they were thus conversing one with another, they heard a voice as if it came out of heaven; and they cast their eyes round about, for they understood not the voice which they heard; and it was not a harsh voice, neither was it a loud voice; nevertheless, and notwithstanding it being a small voice it did pierce them that did hear to the center, insomuch that there was no part of their frame that it did not cause to quake; yea, it did pierce them to the very soul, and did cause their hearts to burn.
4 And it came to pass that again they heard the voice, and they understood it not.
5 And again the third time they did hear the voice, and did open their ears to hear it; and their eyes were towards the sound thereof; and they did look steadfastly towards heaven, from whence the sound came.
6 And behold, the third time they did understand the voice which they heard; and it said unto them:
7 Behold my Beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased, in whom I have glorified my name—hear ye him.

Joseph Smith's First Vision:

14 So, in accordance with this, my determination to ask of God, I retired to the woods to make the attempt. It was on the morning of a beautiful, clear day, early in the spring of eighteen hundred and twenty. It was the first time in my life that I had made such an attempt, for amidst all my anxieties I had never as yet made the attempt to pray vocally.
15 After I had retired to the place where I had previously designed to go, having looked around me, and finding myself alone, I kneeled down and began to offer up the desires of my heart to God. I had scarcely done so, when immediately I was seized upon by some power which entirely overcame me, and had such an astonishing influence over me as to bind my tongue so that I could not speak. Thick darkness gathered around me, and it seemed to me for a time as if I were doomed to sudden destruction.
16 But, exerting all my powers to call upon God to deliver me out of the power of this enemy which had seized upon me, and at the very moment when I was ready to sink into despair and abandon myself to destruction—not to an imaginary ruin, but to the power of some actual being from the unseen world, who had such marvelous power as I had never before felt in any being—just at this moment of great alarm, I saw a pillar of light exactly over my head, above the brightness of the sun, which descended gradually until it fell upon me.
17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!

Moreover, Real Mormons believe in Revelation, both through Prophets as well as personal revelation. Revelation is communication from God to His Children.

I challenge anyone to leave a comment proving me wrong and Mitt right in the context of Mormonism.


TrustMitt said...

We need to join forces to for Obama/Hilary. I think you are missing the point.
I am no fan of Mitt Romney. But Mitt was the most viable Rebulican candidate. He was the only one to unite social and economic conservatives. He was the only one with the look and energy to go the distance. The only possible explaination for the republicans not to back Mitt is bigotry.

Hillary and Barack are trouble for me who is entering the work place and wants to keep my money, But I will give up money to live in a country where my child can be president.

A vote for Mitt is a vote for the normalcy of your children’s children. If Mitt was to become president then Mormonism is a large step closer to the mainstream and acceptance. Our children will be more accepted in a world that has seen a Mormon president. The process will expose the bigotry of others and force the world to take a real look at what Mormons actually believe. Think of all the missionary opportunities that will result. I would predict a steep increase in baptisms in the decade following a Mormon president.

I don’t know if those of you that were raised in the west can fully appreciate the prejudice against Mormons that still exists. High school was very difficult in Florida with my friends, teachers, and even my coach giving me a hard time about my religion. I saw a recent poll that showed more people are accepting of an African American or women president, then of a Mormon president. That means Mormons are the most discriminated against minority in the country!

So for the sake of my children’s children protest vote for Obama and show the world that Utah is not the republicans lackey

Doug said...

Wow. I can't believe I missed Mitt on this one. I haven't really paid much attention to Mitt's campaign because I disagree so vehemently with his promotion of aggressive pre-emptive warmaking among other things.

Thank you Bob. You are *exactly* right on with this one. I'm not sure where Mitt's faith is if it stops at Moses . . .